Re: FLASH: Flash & eCommerce

[mbain]

well why would ANYONE then want to do ANY site in flash ?

Cause that would exclude visitors too...


WHy have a FLASH list if we are not going to USE flash and why then ask the

question on the same LIST of the product that EXCLUDES customers?


DSurely the developer of the e-commerce sit will have a non flash versiuon as

well as to not exclude anyone.

Hmm ?



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"Robert Koberg" <

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> on 10/05/99 09:23:03 PM


Please respond to

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Subject:  Re: FLASH: Flash & eCommerce





I am just jumping into this conversation because I am frustrated with my own

bug and need a break, have not been following the whole thing, so...


Why would anybody want to do e-commerce in flash?  You automatically exclude

customers. (those without the Flash (4?) plugin).  It is like Nordstrom's

saying you can only buy something from our stores if you use our credit

card.


If this point has already been brought up my apologies I WAS NOT ABLE TO

SEARCH ANY ARCHIVES TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT MY POINT HAD ALEADY BEEN

MADE.


WHY ISNT THERE AN ARCHIVE YET!!!!!!  Lets get a listmaster that can handle

this simple thing.


If Sam cannot handle this he should not be admin to the list!


Frustratedly yours,

Rob




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Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 11:08 AM

Subject: Re: FLASH: Flash & eCommerce



> Ah, no, the core is that MSIE 5 prints the first frame

> only of flash movies. w/as MSIE 4.x (MAc/Win) and

> Netscape (Mac/Win) print the current frame (the frame

> the viewer currently has in front of them) of a flash

> movie. It is most likely an MSIE 5 bug, however, it

> removes a great deal of functionality from the use of

> flash for sites that people may want to print sections

> of, whether for client proofing, to print certain

> information, etc. Flash printing from the older

> versions of the browsers while not beautiful, was

> acceptable for printing educational material, product

> info, forms, etc. directly from the flash page. Given

> the overwhelming market share of MSIE, however, it

> appears that flash will no longer be very usable for

> information rich sites that users may want to print

> sections of, and to me, that is too bad...

>

> I understand that Flash relies on the browser for

> printing support, however, it does seem to me that

> Macromedia should be a bit upset that MS has broken

> plug-in printing support in the latest upgrade to the

> dominant browser, and perhaps foolishly I suspect that

> Macromedia may have more leverage to get MS to fix

> this problem than I?

>

>

--- John Dowdell <jdowdellmacromedia [dot] com> wrote:

> > At 5:14 PM 10/1/99, Michael Penne wrote:

> > > I checked the MS KB and nothing on this subjet,

> > MACR

> > > technotes ditto. I'd really like to hear from MACR

> > at

> > > least, 'yes we akknowledge and are working on....'

> > before

> > > recomending the use of Flash for anything someone

> > might

> > > want to print...

> >

> > Is the core here something like "Does the Flash

> > Player guarantee printing

> > on all machines?"

> >

> > If so, then no, the Flash Player itself is rather

> > small and is tuned for

> > portability and screen displays. It doesn't contain

> > various printer driver

> > corrections. You can print out of it if the host

> > application supports

> > printing of its plugin, Control, or applet content.

> > Flash itself doesn't

> > have anything to do with connecting to a printer,

> > though.

> >

> > (If a sub-question is "How can I provide my visitors

> > with a printable page,

> > regardless of browser?" then that's hard, because

> > not all computers have

> > printers attached. I'd tend to lean towards

> > serverside generation of custom

> > HTML pages, just because some browsers have an

> > easier time printing their

> > basic content than their extended content. Your

> > mileage may vary though...

> > people could make design decisions either way.)

> >

> > jd

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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