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Subject:	RE: FLASH: flash 5 problem (OT)
From:	Rebecca Lovelace
Date:	Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:09:34 +0100

Oh, give it a rest! I'm tired of listening to people whining about
Macromedia cracking down on people who violate their NDA. Why do you think
the NDA is there? It is potentially very harmful to Macromedia if info
about their betas is released prematurely to the public. A) Someone could
get the wrong idea about the software (it's not final till it's final...the
beta could be buggy or missing features that make it into the actual
product) and B) A competitor could find out information about key features
and have time to release them before Macromedia releases their software.
Now that Adobe is out there, option B is a real threat.

Macromedia is really cool about their Beta program. It is a very good
opportunity if you are a hardcore user of their software. They allow their
Beta testers real input into the product, and it also allows Beta testers
more time to learn cool new features. (Disclaimer: I am not on the Flash 5
Beta program, so I don't know if there actually are cool new features, but
since this is Macromedia I am assuming there are!) Do you think that as a
security measure Macromedia should stop allowing so many people to be Beta
testers? That would punish all the rest of us because of a few stupid
people.

Would you really want someone looking at your software before it was
finished? If the answer is YES, you probably aren't a serious developer.

Rebecca

-----Original Message-----
From: James Goudy [JamesG

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Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 4:48 PM
To: flasher

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Subject: Re: FLASH: flash 5 problem (OT)

I'm aware that Dowdell works for Macromedia. What annoys me is that I've
worked with dozens of programmers, designers, and tech support people over
the years and none has ever felt the need to take on the additional role of
narc officer. Not once. Flash is a great program, but let's keep things in
perspective. If Macromedia has difficulty keeping betas under wraps, that
sounds like an internal security issue and not one to threaten a discussion
list with. Dowdell has helped numerous people with tech issues (and usually
without the recent condescending tone). I only ask that he keeps his
commentary constructive and not so heavy-handed.

10-year PAYING Macromedia customer,

James Goudy
San Francisco, CA

>>> windersmlerf [dot] org 07/17/00 01:06PM >>>
James,
I think John Dowdell works for Macromedia. It kinda seems like maybe
people who are fooling around with a boot of Flash 5 ought to not make that
point public. Especially to employees of Macromedia. They tend to get
pissed when one of their major products is being distributed freely before
official release. John is chill as far as I know, I guess this irks him
when people stick this in his face. I mean I'm sure this is far worse than
pirated copies of Flash 4 in their eyes.

Enough about Flash 5 already, unless somebody wants to start a pool on a
release date; )

I say Friday September 8th (53 days),
anybody else

Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: James Goudy <JamesG

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To: <flasher

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Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: FLASH: flash 5 problem

| Dude you SERIOUSLY need to chill.
|
|
| >>> jdowdellmacromedia [dot] com 07/17/00 11:37AM >>>
| At 7:37 PM 7/15/0, Snoopy Dog Dog wrote:
| >seems that flash 5 goes to continue having the
|
| You're implying that you may have one of the pre-release builds of a
| Macromedia Flash application. The only people who might have such are
under
| strict legal contracts to not distribute or discuss these.
|
| I've forwarded your post to the Flash team, Macromedia Legal, and to
| piracymacromedia [dot] com. Cases of misappropriated property are taken very
| seriously.
|
| Recap: First word on actual release versions of new software always
arrives
| first on the Macromedia website. If you'd care to help create and test
| future versions of any of our offerings, then thanks, info is at:
| http://www.macromedia.com/support/programs/beta.html
|
| jd
|
|
|
|
|
| John Dowdell, Macromedia Tech Support, San Francisco CA US
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