Re: UKNM: Repurposing text - thanks!

[Carol Dukes]

Many thanks for all the contacts and help on repurposing text from quark to

anything-but-quark.  I'll let the list know what we go with and how it works

out.


Carol


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From: Jamie Unwin <

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Sent: Friday, August 06, 1999 11:04 AM

Subject: Re: UKNM: Repurposing text



> Carol,

>

> The biggest problem with extracting Quark or any (DTP copy) is that a

newspaper or magazine page isn't "marked up" in a formal way (unless you use

an old SGML style page layout system)

>

> ie. A designer will draw a box for a headline and then make another box

for the body and another for a picture, even worse they may decide to use 2

boxes for the body (over pages 2 &3) (the designer is more concerned with

layout that markup, and who really can blame them as their jobs is to lay

the page out- not to tag it ?)

>

> Therefore when you export your page the elements will all be separate, ie.

no relationships, this is fine for a book or a page of copy where the

document will have a style sheet and the headline and body will use

different styles, this allows you to separate the different page elements on

export (and then add them to your database or wrap them in XML or HTML

tags). However with complex layout you will have many elements with the same

style ie. 3 headlines,3 bodies and 3 subheads you are now left with the

problem of associating the correct headlines with the correct bodies, you

could use proximity but this isn't always reliable. The best method to use

is to write a Quark plugin to allow a manual operator to tie together the

various elements.

>

> We do exactly this with a "color" tagging tool ie. the page is brought on

the screen and someone then assigns a one color to all elements of a story

and another color to another story. We try to make this as automatic as

possible to reduce the manual intervention, unfortunately I can't give you a

name of a company as we wrote our tool in house. We then export this copy as

XML and finally import it into out content database.

>

> If your copy (ie. stories) is stored (as marked up or at least uses style

sheets) before it is layed out, then this is the stage to do the extraction

(and life will be simple !), unfortunately tweaks are often made to the copy

at the last stage (ie. the layout stage), if these are legal changes then

you will have to export the copy at this stage.

>

> If all you want is a HTML representation of your page (and you page is

simple) you could just  reproduce the page using HTML tables (which is what

Beyond Press tries to do) however in my experience this produces very

unsatisfactory results and is certainly not future proof (ie. you are stuck

with HTML).

>

> The bottom line (and I have been faced with this problem on at least two

large Quark to web projects) is it's not simple and there is no 'real' off

the shelf solution, by constructing rules in your extraction process you can

make the process require less and less manual intervention, but at the end

of the day you are trying to convert layout to markup which isn't a very

easy task to automate.

>

> These products all claim to make tools which extract Quark to HTML (or

XML/SGML or CSV), however I would evaluate them VERY thoroughly before

parting with any money to see if they really do suit your needs.

>

> Atomic XT http://www.atomik-xt.com/

> Beyond Press http://www.astrobyte.com/

> Inso http://www.inso.com/

>

>

> Jamie

>

>

> >Does anyone know of either any applications, or of any agencies, for

> >repurposing fairly large quantities of Quark Express (and possibly

> >Pagemaker) files into something more like HTML?

> >

> >Any thoughts greatly appreciated.

> >

> >Carol

> >

> >Carol Dukes

>

>carolbtinternet [dot] com

>

> ____________________________________________________________

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Jamie Unwin : jamie [dot] unwinguardian [dot] co [dot] uk : http://www.guardian.co.uk

> The Guardian : 3-7 Ray Street, London, EC1R 3DJ : Tel. 0171 713 4469


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