Re: FLASH: Salaries

[Greg Hughes]

In fact, they will be massing on your doorstep for many m onths after you

revove your resume from the monster board! I am still - after 8 months of no

monster board resume, getting calls from recruiters askingme to apply for

jobs that pay an awful lot. I am not in a position to be making a change,

though, so I choose to tell them no (most of the time - I have turned down a

couple of offers).


Where I am (Portland), it's an easy $65-70k a year on W2 status if the

person is really good at Flash, AND can do the scripting.


- Greg Hughes


----- Original Message -----

From: "David Jacobs" <

DavidJSkywalker [dot] com

>

To: <

flasherchinwag [dot] com

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Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 3:23 PM

Subject: RE: FLASH: Salaries



> Actually, those are the terms for 6 positions currently open at a *major*

> beer manufacturer here in St. Louis (you can guess who ; ). The hourly

rates

> they have given to the recruiters range from $55 - $70 an hour. Take out a

> particular recruiter's cut of $15/hr and you have a minimum of $40/hr,

which

> equates to over $80k a year. Overtime is available, but of course the pay

is

> at overtime rates. These are contract and contract-to-hire. Strong VB

skills

> required.

>

> Don't short-change yourself. There are companies willing to pay outrageous

> rates. Using monster.com the representatives of these companies will be

> massing on your doorstep. Seriously.

>

> David Jacobs

> Web Developer

> Skywalker Communications

> http://www.skywalker.com

> http://www.itverge.com

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> Phone: 636.272.8025 x167

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> > -----Original Message-----

>

> From: paul wehner [SMTP:pwehnerfuse [dot] net]

> > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 5:15 PM

>

> To: flasherchinwag [dot] com

> > Subject: RE: FLASH: Salaries

> >

> > 80K/year leave at 5, no weekends?  Good luck!

> > This is web development not crack dealing we're talking about right?

> >

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

>

> From: ownerchinwag [dot] com [ownerchinwag [dot] com]On">mailto:ownerchinwag [dot] com]On Behalf Of Gahlord

> > Dewald

> > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 4:13 PM

>

> To: flasherchinwag [dot] com

> > Subject: FLASH: Salaries

> >

> >

> > 15/hr is ridiculously low. I charge 100/hr and do quite well. New York

can

> > climb up to 325/hr (better be a good programmer _and_ a good designer

for

> > that). But that's all subcontract/freelance.

> >

> > I wouldn't take a salary below 80k and that better be a choice position

> > where I go home at 5pm every day, don't work weekends, and have an Aeron

> > to

> > sit in. 125k seems to be the salary number I hear and see most often.

> >

> > As for where you live, the fact that you live in an inexpensive place

> > should

> > help you lower your rates some, but the reality is it's you that lives

> > there, not the client. If someone's trying to weasel your rate down

> > because

> > you live in some place that's cheap you'd be best finding work from

> > someone

> > who needs you more than they do (let them hire those 15/hr guys out

there

> > and see what they get).

> >

> > IMHO, a good flash developer has both programming and creative skills.

The

> > programming strategies and creative vision he or she brings to the table

> > are

> > in most cases unique. No one would design the way I do (or maybe no one

> > would want to ;) ) and no one would approach a programming situation in

> > exactly the same way I do (again, maybe no one would want to). Aside

from

> > your laundry list of great commodified knowledge, you contain unique

> > abilities and insights that are priceless. Be confident in that, and

don't

> > commoditize yourself. Because there's always some jr high schooler

willing

> > to work for cheaper.

> >

> > Of course, if you have to pay rent and you aren't bringing down the big

> > bucks then do what you gotta do. But best to concentrate on attracting

> > clients who are willing to support your livelihood and method of problem

> > solving (both creative and technical) then getting sucked into the

safety

> > of

> > regular money (and dog hours and tight deadlines and not enough

resources

> > etc.). If necessary, consult a business coach.

> >

> > I guess that might've been 4 cents worth :)

> >

> > g

> >

> >

> >

> > Gahlord Dewald

>

> gahlordweedsmedia [dot] com

> > Weeds Media Consortium

> > www.weedsmedia.com

> >

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